Hi tlawn86 - I work for Hunter and don't jump in here often, so I hope this is okay. EZ-DT is Hunters new Easy Decoder Diagnostic Tool that makes troubleshooting the EZ-DS system even easier. How to use a clamp-meter to troubleshoot: 1. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Program dummy station numbers into decoder. and the error code i get is "overcurrent" or "no comm" Does any one have any ideas. The Diagnostics screen displays an overview of the electrical status of each installed output module, plus additional functions. Know most of the Hunter guys in San Marcos. 1.5 Amp, fused, with alligator clips, with the primary wired to a pigtail. I'd say a helper would be handy. The decoder will not respond after a firmware update, Dual/Pilot decoder not recognized by handheld. Woo-Hoo! Awesome sps2868. nothing works. Overflow messages. WebPress the Station Finder soft key, and select the station number to locate. ?t5Za')i6/3^mAa` B@9xkWJIj#vc$lsv$ $ac9]zruP!53yT)Ek8k~oF2|jS(KzwR%~qQPxS*=[{n{;GCNBRq;4E+ajt'b34vII +sa:fKJ WebOpen the controller inner door to see additional diagnostic information on the DUAL48M display. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. Disconnect the 2-wire path (s) from the controller. % Check Programming Cup connection to decoder and ICD-HP. stream It helps us both when you are in front of the controller when we speak. endobj here what ive done first i went threw with my wire locater to check for broken wires and located all the valves. My Armada clamp meter shows 1.5ma on my ICD100 decoders. Ditto on the classy rep. Those are posts well worth saving. Sometimes it works perfectly fine. If the decoder reading fails, a red X will appear in the display. Copyright 2023 Hunter Industries. Konapride - U da Man! Is that true? w?Lhq ?N~5kd>wkSrzPq$`p_PD8q One of my location have a hunter acc 2 wire. When 12 comes on there shouldn't be any measurable current on the same wire on the 11 valve. All rights reserved. and the error code i get is "overcurrent" or "no comm" Does any one have any ideas. I like barry he uses a white board which I like and dry erase markers which I love, ill post a link if i can find it. Otherwise data history only shows "power outage" and "power restore" due to the homeowner shutting off the breaker, which he says 'almost' always allows the box to work properly. If Check battery display or A failed decoder may read 500-600 mA over that decoders lead wires. If there is no problem with the decoder lead wires, then split the connections for the 2-wire path. Trace and mark the 2-wire path using a 501 or 521 if necessary. Connect the Pulser to the 2-wire path that is isolated from the controller. I feel like I am beating this to death. This is a common diagnostic technique to find shorts to earth ground. Thanks for any help. i also replace every connections with the 2 wires running to all the decoders. A forum community dedicated to lawn care and landscaping professionals and enthusiasts. Repeat firmware update steps and allow to complete. I have a question relating to this post and a job we are on at the moment. Manually activate the desired station to energize the two-wire path. Verify that the two wire path is connected to the controller, and that controller power is In other words, if you try to use a clamp meter on "native" power, normal controller power, it likely will not read accurately. 19 yrs & counting. The curves I read showed there was a little bit of wiggle room (very little). First, I invite you to call Tech Service at 800-733-2823 to help get this resolved. 1 0 obj Check the voltage on the output of the decoder. Make sure power is on to controller. I will also explore a shorted solenoid. I was at the Golf Industry Show in San Diego all day. Current is very helpful in troubleshooting field wiring conditions. i also replace every connections with the 2 wires running to all the decoders. Sounds weird, but you need a 24 VAC transformer. I hate to disappoint 1idejim, but no Speedos were used or harmed during this operation. also there Reduce timer or turn off backlight display. Success! Make sure you have a clampmeter and notebook in your hands, I can't tell you how portant they both are. My Armada clamp meter shows 1.5ma on my ICD100 decoders. When the program doesn't run, the "module/line activity" light is rapidly blinking red. Position the EZ-DT and EZ-1 decoder as shown in the display. Of course, the primary design concern for controllers is probably going to be to have triacs that can handle the entire output of the supply transformer up to its internal fuse opening point. JavaScript is disabled. endobj All rights reserved. Only looked it up a few days ago, and found the LTC1153 as a top result. I will check on it. Press the Station Finder soft key, and select the station number to locate. Operating large numbers Check two-wire path and controller power. The station finder will chatter a selected station to help locate a solenoid in the field by listening. here what ive done first i went threw with my wire locater to check for broken wires and located all the valves. Hi tlawn86 - I work for Hunter and don't jump in here often, so I hope this is okay. 2. Each modules electrical current is shown. WebThe bottom of the decoder (the end with no wires) should be within the programming cup. Check with your local sales rep and request a class. Troubleshooting Decoder-Based Irrigation Systems Regency Wire & Cable 3.86K subscribers Subscribe 230 Share 40K views 5 years ago Learn how to Start the controller manually. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. Been installing it for around 6 years now and its the best. If i also replace every connections with the 2 wires running to all the decoders. also there are 22 stations. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. Or are we taking those with the same grains of salt we employ when looking at sprinkler head performance charts? To view this page in a different language, please select from the list below. Whats the next step? When the Start button is pressed, the controller will chatter the solenoid for up to 30 minutes. Master Valve not on (station solenoid is on, but no water). XhArBLfR6+$!$/}^T%]'N$xRP:D,d_c GuC`5PC.7|/$C. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. Weba defective solenoid, 2) defective field wiring, or 3) poor wire connections. Decoder is powered from ICD-HP power leads. Woo-Hoo! Greenhouse, Nursery, and Open-Field Irrigation, EZ-1 Decoder Diagnostics and Troubleshooting. Verify flow limits and delays allow for some variation. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. Not sure how their fuse size compares to the actual transformer ratings. Example of using glass fuse holders on ADM. Any luck using self-resetting polyfuses instead of conventional glass fuses? <> great post & replies.. very helpful stuff. can we get the Federal Express guy to teach a half-day class? When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. Thank you. I'm an avid user of Hunter products here in Aus. and the error code i get is "overcurrent" or "no comm" Does any one have any ideas. nothing works. There will be more online material in the future. <>>> Display backlight will reduce battery life. Check Power Supply Board status light. If the LED on the decoder is not blinking green, ensure the station is active, checkthe two-wire path and wire connections, and repeatsteps 1 & 2. EZ-DT: Decoder Programming You Select Diagnostics with the arrows, and press Mode to Press the Mode Any current-limiting circuitry would serve as transformer protection as well as triac protection. HCC Manual Operation. Web1:00:00 EZ Decoder Diagnostics. Otherwise I have been going by what the homeowner is telling me. Hi guys. However there have only been two fault messages, each for a random zone (19,22) stating "comm" error. WebHunter ACC Decoders. 4 0 obj A forum community dedicated to lawn care and landscaping professionals and enthusiasts. %PDF-1.5 Do not leave ClikTM Output Tester or Flow Output. 1.5 Amp, fused, with alligator clips, When the Start button is pressed, the controller will chatter the solenoid for up to 30 minutes. WebSolution Check controller power to two-wire path, or connect power leads to decoder. I previously distributed Hunter here in Aus and they are a brilliant company. All rights reserved. I love the product. Sorry tlawn86 - The 2-day decoder class is currently held in San Marcos, CA. Start station with MV from controller or remote. The * is letting the user know that the ICD-HP is in process of communicating with the decoder. To read decoder information: Manually activate the desired station to energize the two-wire path. Come join the discussion about performance, modifications, classifieds, troubleshooting, maintenance, and more! Poly switches allow current leakage and their ability to remain active is limited. Select. A technician can then listen for the underground noise to locate the selected solenoid. It helps us both when you are in front of the controller when we speak. STEP 1: Verify Station Fault Remove the field wire for the faulted station. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. Why don't you just buy your controllers from dealers instead of off the back of a truck in the middle of the night. Copyright 2023 Hunter Industries. I think it isn't posted online because it needs updating. I have replaced the decoder module and I am experiencing the same problem. ACC-99D uses two-wire decoders to control up to 99 stations without giving up the arsenal of features provided by the ACC. If successful, it will display the Dec I thought I was the only nerd regarding 2 wire. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. Konapride - Did you call Hunter today? <>/Font<>/ProcSet[/PDF/Text/ImageB/ImageC/ImageI] >>/MediaBox[ 0 0 612 792] /Contents 4 0 R/Group<>/Tabs/S/StructParents 0>> Dual/Pilot decoder not recognized by hand held. Greenhouse, Nursery, and Open-Field Irrigation. The clamp-meter will give accurate readings. Rod says that Hunter ICD decoders should draw 3.5 to 4ma. 2 0 obj Read the resistance of the wire pair that connects the two decoders together. The readings should be between 0-60 depending on distance between decoders (see decoder wire resistance chart). If connection/wiring breaks are not visible, then use a cable tracer to track the wire issue. 5[@l$w ZIeQ|"+m}Z I scheduled with the homeowner for Friday morning, so I will be calling at 8am Hawaii time this friday. ill ask for you next time you really know your stuff.. So here's the recap guys: Success! The ICD-HP will check for a decoder. Copyright 2023 Hunter Industries. 2. That's the valve wire after the decoder, not the decoder wire. I am troubleshooting a Hunter ACC 2 wire decoder system and could use some advice. When no stations are running (Inactive), this shows the standby current draw of idle decoders on the two-wire path. If it is there for a long period of time, the ICD-HP is retrying due to communication failures. Greenhouse, Nursery, and Open-Field Irrigation. The decoder may be damaged. All diagnostic functions are completed via wireless communication between the EZ-DT and EZ-1 decoders. Sounds weird, but you need a 24 VAC transformer. A failed decoder may read 500-600 mA over that decoders lead wires. <> For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Check controller power to two-wire path, or connect power leads to decoder. WebMake sure both slide locks are closed. That Jim Guy said: Rather than seeing 10.5-12.0 ma you should be getting about 4.5 at the 3rd decoder. Decoder will not respond after firmware update. School of hard knocks. In a diagnostics situation be aware their will be measurable current where their will none in a traditionally open circuit. Y1-XBL)~\d1on4a*NkHIcOB\pMEw4pl>=U`S&bSh 9umf,[$ctNKXle5I<5~8[y!ofCO]myN 'T,]>V 7T% I remember reading the phrase "electronic circuit breaker" in product descriptions when the glass fuses and mechanical circuit breakers were no longer included with sprinkler controllers. endobj Thanks to all for the kind words. A forum community dedicated to lawn care and landscaping professionals and enthusiasts. I looked up curves when it seemed like I would have to upsize a fuse in a solid state controller in order to accommodate two valves on a zone, in a controller only rated for one. Disconnect the 2-wire path (s) from the controller. 1:27:03 I have a few oversize control transformers with actual fuseholders. A technician can then listen for the underground noise to locate the selected solenoid. Wont read flow. Hunter does have an "ACC Decoder System Troubleshooting Guide", although I can't find a link to it anywhere on their website. if more reps reacted to product concerns the way you do Rod i believe they would received much better on this or any forum. To stop the chatter, press the soft key again, or it will stop by itself after 30 minutes. I have better luck using a 24 VAC signal. Check system for leaks and malfunctions. Check with your local sales rep and request a class. 1:24:23 The Half Method. ICC2 Manual Operation. http://blog.circuitprotection.com/bwitch-device-and-when-to-use-a-fuse-te-talks/, http://blog.circuitprotection.com/bwitch-device-and-when-to-use-a-fuse-TE-talks/, http://www.underhillonline.net/Faulting_Transformer_p/transfrmr-240.htm, http://www.hunterindustries.com/sites/default/files/ACC_Flash_Update_Instructions.pdf. The AC current will drop sharply between two points on the wire path, if the short circuit or fault to earth is between them. One of my location have a hunter acc 2 wire. All Hunter ICD decoders have a single copper grounding wire. That is the "wire" that would be connected to earth ground. If the decoder (s) look damaged from surge, disconnect them from the 2-wire path and check the amperage at the controller. This is done by going to "Advanced Features", "Decoder Functions", "Check ADM Current". It's easy enough to spec triacs in a controller that will operate on the safe side of a glass fuse curve. I have chatted a few times with hunter support and with the local hunter rep but I figured I would try a different perspective. 1:09:06 System Troubleshooting. I should have mentioned my own research about polyswitches was not about their being primary protection in this application, but for use in another aspect of valve operation by remote controllers. JavaScript is disabled. http://www.hunterindustries.com/sites/default/files/ACC_Flash_Update_Instructions.pdf, http://www.hunterindustries.com/sites/default/files/acc_v5.11.020_xp.zip, http://www.hunterindustries.com/sites/default/files/DG_DecoderDesignGuide_dom.pdf. WebEZDT - EZ-1 Decoder Diagnostics and Troubleshooting. Basically the system doesn't work intermittently, where the control box indicated that it is watering normally but it in fact is not. nothing works. If the Err message is not present, the problem is with the valve or This seems serious enough for the big kahuna to do a site visit. One of my location have a hunter acc 2 wire. Hunter have been exceptional with their service over the years. Check Programming Cup connection to decoder and ICD-HP. First, I invite you to call Tech Service at 800-733-2823 to help get this resolved. Most manufacturers use a diagnostic circuit breaker on the triac/output side of things. 6u-B*v?!kTBiqGx]%L(lJR%C%JT|JN](lW*M(q0sN)M3Z>.l&Zhg_v|w4(`yNId8Ui@IOPfMaUKZHTLjnJQZ\`{YAQ$t"k$HiYv;|bXr`-p J#[(iiq:;?-+&gj"tw0 ,x n(p.d0ib=J%UXSeRn2 LM %%]*WI@NT. Check flow sensor setup. If the voltage did not change, verify that Hunter does have an "ACC Decoder System Troubleshooting Guide", although I can't find a link to it anywhere on their website. G'Day sprinklerkid_australia --- Your Armada Tech clamp meter is trying to read milliamps at 35 VAC and 1.2 Hertz. A condensed version might be possible in your area. Check battery display or retry with USB power if available. The Decoder Design Guide isn't super great for troubleshooting but it does help clarify things graphically: reps and sponsors could learn a lot from your posts, once a product has been introduced quit selling and help when help is needed. here what ive done first i went threw with my wire locater to check for broken wires and located all the valves. I will be in the office the rest of the week. Thank you very much, I will be calling Hunter Support tomorrow. :clapping: Hey Pops, you ever hear of speaker phone or earbuds? 1:01:06 Tools for Troubleshooting. @lP-s 67#R }*]xg6Q+DTp J'rY{y I have a great video by an engineer named Barry Brents he explains when to use poly switching and when you might not want to. Sorry. HunterTekGeek 1. I have only gotten the problem to show itself for me once, that was today after installing the new module. If you are going to maintain 2-wire systems, you want to have a clamp-around "leakage meter" that can read the milliamp currents drawn by the decoders. When troubleshooting is finished, press the soft key again to turn off the 60 Hz wire test mode. To read decoder information: Two beeps will sound, and decoder information will be displayed. Any luck using self-resetting polyfuses instead of conventional glass fuses? O.k, you're holding the phone in one hand and the notebook in the other..how do you write? When stations are running (Active), the total current is updated to show the power used by the solenoids. WebAttempt to turn on the decoder from the controller (Manual Single Station or ICR remote). VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada.
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